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  What do YOU stand for?

  by RollerDave in

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  after everything i had ever believed unassailable proved to be as a wisp of smoke in the breeze, i was forced to asnswe that question.. since i no longer stand for the wts, what do i stand for.. my lifetime of misery would be a complete waste if there isn't some positive way to frame it.. i figure, we come into this world kicking, screaming, naked, wet, and cold.

  we have nothing, not even a name.. our name is the first thing we get, and it has no meaning until we provide the context with our lives.. when we die, our name and what it has come to mean is all we can take out of this world with us; he who dies with the most toys still dies and gets no further benefit from his worldy goods.. so, what do we stand for, what shall our name mean.. i have not had the most optimal life, i suppose, periods of submersion in the wts fantasy world interspersed with episodes of incredible violence and deprivation.

  i have both been the victim of harm, and regretably inflicted my fair share of harm as well.. i have made choices so stupid that it was all i could do to set things right and live them down.. i have had a corrupted view of reality while under the spell of the wts that affected me equally whether i was in or out, either way i was damned.. i never expected to live, the big a was just around the corner and there were all these pesky bullets whizzing past my head and a knife in me; but here i was in my thirties with a second chance.. a relatively clean break.. of course, i was now confined to a wheelchair and poor with bad credit, but i was at rock bottom so the only way to go was up.. it could have been worse, i never picked up a criminal record, even though i rightfully deserved one.. what to stand for.... one has to stand for something.

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  Roller,

  This is the first post of yours I have read:

  I don't know who the hell you are but I hope we can have a cup of coffee or (yuk....) a beer sometime togethrer.

  Looking forward to getting to know you better,

  Yours in this Journey,

  V
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  Long time members, how do you cope with so much tragedy on this forum?

  by PEC in

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  2. friends

  i have only been here for six months and i can see why so many people have to leave or at least take breaks from this forum.. what are you doing to cope?

  i want to stay, please help.

  pm me if needed.. philip.

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  I have not been on this board very long. I was on Channel C at Beacon Light for quite a while and we have our own [exiting} site. Why?

  Exiting ministries just suck in comparison to focusing on telling the Good News and participating in the "normal" affairs of spiritual progress in the lives of others. This ministry is different.

  First, a person must understand. ONLY one that has been a JW, lived the life, realized the error, responded to error in truth, been beaten nearly to death by people you thought were of like kind, been ejected, rejected, neglected can grasp what "exiting" is about.

  Next, the feeling of isolation and despair. Families torn apart, the Realization of Lost Opportunity, the torment of having been duped, many, many negative emotions and situations.....you have to have been there....

  Now, you have an angry, dis-appointed person that is bucking like a horse in a blazing barn. They might bolt in any direction..

  Boards like this are, literally, a "God send." A place to begin and continue the healing experience that is possible. Those that exit, all of you/us, are my heros. The ones that minister to this group...going over and over and over the same situations with patience and calm, caring resolve are the super heros. It is exhausting, emotioally draining work.

  So, thanks to all on this board....from the person posting for the first time to the one with the "most" posts. You are all to be commended for your courage, resolve, and love.

  May the Living God through a kind and generous Lord in co-operation with the power of the Spirit bless you and yours,

  Amen.

  Yours in this Journey,

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  This is what I am going to do.

  by GODLOVESME in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this sunday at 11.00am i am going to take a jw to a church service at st marks luthern church in yonkers ny.she is 28 years old.

  she was born and raised a jw.

  she has never been in a church in here life and is so brainwashed that she thinks saton lives inside.

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  We started attending an Episcapal Church in Monett: it took me MONTHS to learn to just relax. I was there to celebrate the Lord's Meal. However, this is a "High Church" and they put the Roman Catholics to shame with vestments, orderliness of service, music, incense, etc. Once I "settled down" and as I learned more about the history of the Church I enjoyed the services greatly.

  Have patience with your friend. JWs go to business meetings not worship or praise services. Focus on the love of God not trivial theological ideas. Point out the congregation "passes the plate" in the same way the early Christians did and there is not a profit center in literature that the JWs have.

  Post your results, please.

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  Posting Here: secretly or openly?

  by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

  1. social
  2. family

  just curious, how many of you have to hide the fact that you post here from family?

  i'm especially thinking of those with spouses who are in, while they themselves either never were, faded, dfed/daed, etc but if you are a child hiding it from parents, that applies too.

  if you are posting secretly, how secretive do you have to be?

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  QuietlyLeaving,

  Welcome to the Board!

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  Why label it a cult?

  by rebel8 in

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  what purpose does it serve?

  it just seems to polarize people and ostracize those who aren't ready or willing to label it a cult.

  anyone can look up the dictionary definition of a cult (or experts' definitions).

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  Becaise it is a cult?

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  Common abbreviations used here

  by Lady Lee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we use so many abbreviations here that i thought a list might help people who are unaware of their meanings (not everyone here is or was a jw).

  some are related to internet use and some are specific to jws.

  so feel free to add to the list.. jwd = this website = jehovahs-witness-discussion.

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  Also,

  IMHO: In my hillbilly opinion

  From MO,

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  another question, help please

  by MUNKAFATS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if woman are the weaker ones(for lack of better words) why is it that they seem to be the ones that mostly believe before their husbands?????

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  There are a LOT of women that are from very abusive backgrounds that come into the Org. Very codependent....

  One viewpoint,

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  How do Jews view 607 /587 debate?

  by AgentSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the jw's use the prohecy of daniel etc to get to 607 as the date jerusalem fell.

  i know the jews accept 587 as the correct date.

  so how do they view the calculation of the prophecy, of 'ol king neb and babylon etc?.

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  Better question: how do ultra orthodox Jews view blood transfusions?

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  Excited to Attend D. C. Next Weekend

  by Cold Creek Swimmer in

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  good morning friends,.

  i just wanted to share with all of you the joy i am experiencing knowing that i will be attending the long awaited d.c, next week.

  what a wonderful experience it will be to be able to sit with all of the loving and faithul delegates at this convention.

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  Wow...the only thing that would make this whole deal "funner," if I was going, is if they reworked my circumcision: with no pain killer....

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  What did you like/hate about JW calendars?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for me, every (other) saturday was magazine day.

  the only marked date on the calendar was the memorial.. the nature scenes were ok when they had a nature theme.

  i think the calendar is too small, boxes not big enough to write in..

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  Here is something odd:

  My memory of "things JW" is fading. I was trying to think of one "kingdom song" at work the other day and could not think of one.

  The only thing I can remember about the calanders is the scene of Christians leaving Jeruselem after 67.

  My JW association seems like it was decades ago and it has only been four and a half years. It is like a very, very bad memory.

  However, when someone calls on our line off our site, the JW slang expressions come back instantly: like a second language...it is so wierd....

  Take care all,

  V